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		<title>Andy: Update from Wiki</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Update from Wiki&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;'''GOALS'''&lt;br /&gt;
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* To bring together local expertise and leverage BIRN-related efforts to develop a standard system of calibration procedures for use by the MGH-BWH testbed &amp;quot;mini-BIRN&amp;quot; collaborative working group (a multidisciplinary group of scientific, technical, and clinical investigators). In the initial phase of the study, we will concentrate on intra-site scanner upgrade calibration protocols such that both MGH and BWH collect data and analyze it using similar metrics. The next phase will be to further develop cross-site calibration protocols.&lt;br /&gt;
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* '''Plans for fall 2005'''&lt;br /&gt;
** Acquisition of pre- and post-upgrade datasets at both MGH and BWH&lt;br /&gt;
*** Phantom: 2 sessions pre- &amp;amp; post-upgrade&lt;br /&gt;
*** Human: ~4 subjects w/ 2 sessions pre- &amp;amp; post-upgrade&lt;br /&gt;
*** For more details: [[MGH-BWH_Mini-BIRN_Standard_Upgrade_Protocol|MGH-BWH Mini-BIRN Standard Upgrade Protocol]]&lt;br /&gt;
** IRB: Goal is to obtain one IRB for all of this development work at both sites&lt;br /&gt;
** Next telecon Nov 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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== [[Minutes_from_9/12_MGH-BWH_mini-BIRN_telecon|Minutes from 9/12 MGH-BWH mini-BIRN telecon]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
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MGH-BWH Calibration Team teleconference minutes 9/12/05&lt;br /&gt;
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Attendees:&lt;br /&gt;
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Nan-kuei Chen&lt;br /&gt;
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Brad Dickerson&lt;br /&gt;
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Randy Lyanne Gollub&lt;br /&gt;
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Doug Greve&lt;br /&gt;
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Jorge Jovicich&lt;br /&gt;
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Ron Kikinis&lt;br /&gt;
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Andrew Kiruluta&lt;br /&gt;
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Steve Pieper&lt;br /&gt;
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Reisa Sperling&lt;br /&gt;
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Kelly Zho&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandy Wells&lt;br /&gt;
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Cindy Wible&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris Wright&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; Minutes&lt;br /&gt;
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* 1. Brad: Purpose of telecon &amp;amp; Introductions&lt;br /&gt;
** Goal: Establishment of standard intra-site calibration procedures&lt;br /&gt;
*** Can we use this opportunity (BWH &amp;amp; MGH upgrade) to standardize as much of the procedure as possible such that both sites collect comparable data and perform similar analyses?&lt;br /&gt;
* 2. Current daily calibration procedures&lt;br /&gt;
** Randy: What are the daily QA measures employed on clinical scanners at MGH?&lt;br /&gt;
** Andrew: standard nema daily calibration&lt;br /&gt;
*** Uniform phantom SNR (ROI inside phantom of interest is signal; outside is noise);&lt;br /&gt;
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Geometric distortion (EPI, struct) (ACRadiol standard)&lt;br /&gt;
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* ** Doug: this is similar to MGH CNY daily QA measures: cylindrical phantom 200 tps, draw roi at the center of phantom, measure peak to peak change divided by avg intensity inside of phantom (a la SNR measure)&lt;br /&gt;
** Doug: CNY has developed a method to analyze nyquist ghosting to see if there is a change over time: segment phantom from background &amp;amp; use mask (ghost roi)&lt;br /&gt;
** Steve: BWH research scanners use fbirn protocol&lt;br /&gt;
* 3. Brief overview of basic calibration plans at each site (intra-site)&lt;br /&gt;
** MGH (Jorge)--see notes below&lt;br /&gt;
*** Doug: We also want to examine baseline noise pre &amp;amp; post upgrade &amp;amp; try to separate noise components (different flip angles); field angle map &amp;amp; T2* &amp;amp; B0 map&lt;br /&gt;
*** Jorge: Plans are for 2 phantom sessions each pre &amp;amp; post upgrade&lt;br /&gt;
*** Jorge: Plans are for 4 subjects each 2 scans pre &amp;amp; post upgrade&lt;br /&gt;
** BWH (Nan-kuei)&lt;br /&gt;
*** 1.5t mainly clinical research; acr phantom standard&lt;br /&gt;
*** 3t haven’t used acr in past&lt;br /&gt;
*** Reisa: we need to consider mprage; also need to consider the fact that adni protocols will be used on 1.5t bwh, 3t bwh, 3t trio mgh&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ron/Brad: We would like to agree to use the same sequence for a given purpose, as long as there is not a compelling reason to do otherwise (i.e., try to avoid two different versions of MPRAGE so as not to have to compare intra-site inter-sequence)&lt;br /&gt;
*** Steve: We need to obtain GE mprage sequence for new platform&lt;br /&gt;
*** Reisa: This was created for adni on GE &amp;amp; it’ll be at bwh after upgrade&lt;br /&gt;
*** Reisa/Jorge/Brad/Chris: We should make sure to calibrate across coils (single vs 8 vs 12 channel)&lt;br /&gt;
*** Doug/Nan-kuei: would like to ensure that details of sequences are very similar on ge &amp;amp; siemens (k space trajectory; ghosting, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ron: Regardless of the fact that relatively heavier investments have been made in cross-site calibration, we should have a standard plan in place to characterize the systematic error within a scanner, including the effects of an upgrade.&lt;br /&gt;
** Human plans at bwh&lt;br /&gt;
*** Rescan subjects who have been scanned as part of fbirn phase 2 &amp;amp; mem fmri&lt;br /&gt;
** Jorge: How many subjects is enough for adequate calibration?&lt;br /&gt;
** Reisa: plan is for 20 for cross-site&lt;br /&gt;
** Jorge: probably depends on question of interest &amp;amp; inherent noise (~5 for upgrades – 20+ for cross-site)&lt;br /&gt;
* IRB issues&lt;br /&gt;
** Jorge: It would be ideal for all of us to estimate how many scans we are likely to perform per year so we can put irbs in place &amp;amp; allot technical resources.&lt;br /&gt;
** Randy/Brad: It would be ideal to have one IRB for both sites’ calibration efforts, but it would be essential to ensure detailed record-keeping, given that a number of co-investigators would likely use it.&lt;br /&gt;
* Randy: We need to continue to ask for Kelly &amp;amp; Sandy’s attention to statistical analysis approaches (e.g., from the simpler daily nema-type tests to the most detailed freesurfer-based morphometric or intensity-based comparisons (X Han’s &amp;amp; S Czanner’s methods @ CNY)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Items to consider for next telecon agenda&lt;br /&gt;
** Discussion of other 'wish-list' items for intra-site calibration&lt;br /&gt;
*** Other sequences (DTI, ASL variants)&lt;br /&gt;
*** Resources for data analysis&lt;br /&gt;
** Goal: Team calibration resources&lt;br /&gt;
*** How can we coordinate resources to maintain an MGH-BWH calibration team?&lt;br /&gt;
**** Team membership: what other skills do we need?&lt;br /&gt;
**** Document management system&lt;br /&gt;
**** Resources for scanning, data archiving and analysis&lt;br /&gt;
***** Personnel&lt;br /&gt;
***** Computer&lt;br /&gt;
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* Thanks to Jorge for detailed notes on calibration plans&lt;br /&gt;
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